Weapon types and tactics

[Who_im_iz]

I see a lot of you guys use load outs with assault rifles or sniper rifles. I was thinking about buying the A&K M60 for my first AEG so I could join you guys on the battlefield. My question is would it be worth my hard earned $400? Would you guys be able to tactically use a support lmg gunner on the field?

[Cap]

Its all in what you want. I prefer CQB length M4s cause thats what I like. The M60 has its role too, its a pretty heavy gun if that matters to you or not.

In bigger games and events, mags are restricted to Mid and Low cap mags unless you have a support weapon, which can use whatever you have for it.

[Who_im_iz]

I'm new to the airsoft world.. what are mid and low cap mags?

[TwoShot]

mid and low cap magazines are magazines with mid capacity for BBs and low capacity for BBs. its all about how much the mag holds. also, do you plan on getting the vn m60 or a modern one?

[Warlock]

Low caps are low capacity mags. Mids are mid capacity. High is.. Well you can guess it and high caps need to be wound

[LesPaul]

I'm new to the airsoft world.. what are mid and low cap mags?

Mids and lows are mags that are non-winding (as oppose to the highs). They hold from about 30-150 rounds normally, and high caps hold anywhere from 300-550 rounds, but you must wind them every 30 shots or so to keep them feeding. Mids and lows can be fired continuously for as long as they have bbs in them without winding.

Some highs in the form of boxes and drums have automatic electric winders that wind for you.

As for the M60, unless you are a large person, I would stay away from it because it is heavy and can be a real pain to carry around. But, you know, whatever floats your boat.

EDIT: By the way, to answer your other question, a LMG gunner can almost always be utilized on the field. The only time I wouldn't want an LMG gunner is for CQB.

[Who_im_iz]

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=5953

I'm not sure how to tell if it's a Vietnam version or not. Either way it's beast and would be fun to have/use.

[LesPaul]

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=5953

I'm not sure how to tell if it's a Vietnam version or not. Either way it's beast and would be fun to have/use.

In, the video at the bottom, they say it is Vietnam style. I'm also going to tell you right now, that will be very heavy. You should probably watch the video at the bottom of the page.

[Who_im_iz]

I did.. but I watched it a while ago. I'm not worried about the weight. I move boxes around all day everyday that weight as much as the gun does.

[LesPaul]

I did.. but I watched it a while ago. I'm not worried about the weight. I move boxes around all day everyday that weight as much as the gun does.

Another thing you may want to consider is the length, because it is pretty long. Just keep in mind that you may be carrying it for several hours straight.

[Cap]

The weight is awkward, its not the same as carrying a 20lb box. Your arms are out in front of you aiming, you're moving on uneven surfaces with obstructions.

Get a gallon of milk and hold it straight out in front of you with 1 hand, see how heavy it feels compared to having your arms relaxed next to you. A gallon of milk is right around 8.5lbs

[TwoShot]

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=5953

I'm not sure how to tell if it's a Vietnam version or not. Either way it's beast and would be fun to have/use.

yes that is the vietnam version. get a loadout to go with it and i got a team and we could use some more people, especially a machine gunner.

[Who_im_iz]

yes that is the vietnam version. get a loadout to go with it and i got a team and we could use some more people, especially a machine gunner.

What kind of loadout? I realize that the gun will weigh a lot. I don't plan on hip firing it the whole day. I plan on using my tri-fold shovel to dig myself a hole to sit in a and let the beefy bi-pod do its job. I'm pretty sure the ammo box is feeds the BB's electronically.. is that going to be a problem for either crew?

[TwoShot]

http://www.wpairsoft.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2958 there's the requirements.

[airsoftnoob7287]

id maybe go for an m249 saw? but if you had your heart set on the m60, dont be dissapointed when you are dead tired from lugging it around all day

[LesPaul]

id maybe go for an m249 saw? but if you had your heart set on the m60, dont be dissapointed when you are dead tired from lugging it around all day

Please expand upon why you would suggest the M249 instead of the M60.

[short_stack]

The M249 Para model is $100 less, weighs 5 pounds less, the weight is more evenly balanced, any problems with it are known and easily fixable, REPLACEMENT PARTS, and accesories(Put an ElCAN on there, slap on a rail system, etc.) + before you even think about buying a gun, google search "A&K M249 review" to get all reviews.

http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_44_214&products_id=28201

[GoRed]

M60 + All Day = Stronger

[stryker11]

Wow. I have had the pleasure of lugging a pig in real life. It is not fun. An m60 will not fit well in a tactical game where you need to be mobile. This weapon is more of a static fighting position weapon and you rarely will have that luxury in airsoft. You don't get three hours to dig a fightng position then camo it up n set up fields of fire. so t

[doc_murray]

I used the pig on my first operational deployment (m60 E4). before we went in, we had to do weapons pt ( not rifle pt, weapons pt) never hated my corpsman so much as those workouts (the seals on our ship got him an mp 5 to use). if you use the pig well in a true squad based game, the 60 is a huge asset, but you gotta know how to use it and you gotta carry enough ammo for it to be useful. For a load out, you might want to use a battle belt with ammo pods for paintballs, you can carry a lot of ammo that way. maybe look at the newer versions of the 60, the ones with the foregrip. and use an lmg type sling, you will thank me later for that advice after your first bigger game.

[Gracey]

The M249 Para model is $100 less, weighs 5 pounds less, the weight is more evenly balanced, any problems with it are known and easily fixable, REPLACEMENT PARTS, and accesories(Put an ElCAN on there, slap on a rail system, etc.) + before you even think about buying a gun, google search "A&K M249 review" to get all reviews.

http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_44_214&products_id=28201

I'd be careful with A&K. Although I've never had one myself, I have heard mixed reviews about them. Again, not saying they're the worst, I've just heard that people have had issues with them.

If he's interested in an M249 after this, I think Sprinx might still be selling his. But I could be wrong though.

[airsoftnoob7287]

The M249 Para model is $100 less, weighs 5 pounds less, the weight is more evenly balanced, any problems with it are known and easily fixable, REPLACEMENT PARTS, and accesories(Put an ElCAN on there, slap on a rail system, etc.) + before you even think about buying a gun, google search "A&K M249 review" to get all reviews.

http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_44_214&products_id=28201

thats why (filler)

[Who_im_iz]

I'm really not worried about the weight of the gun. Like GoRed6 said it'll just make me stronger. My question was geared more towards the tactics of the airsoft games being played here. There were a few posts saying that the lmg would not fit well into an airsoft game and that was what I was looking for. I was just concerned about dropping $400 just to go out there and be underutilized.

[Who_im_iz]

As for the M249 subject.. I really like the M429 as well. The M60 would mos def. be my top choice. In a pinch I could settle for the M429.

[DeAtHMaTcH]

I'm really not worried about the weight of the gun. Like GoRed6 said it'll just make me stronger. My question was geared more towards the tactics of the airsoft games being played here. There were a few posts saying that the lmg would not fit well into an airsoft game and that was what I was looking for. I was just concerned about dropping $400 just to go out there and be underutilized.

truly if you were on my team i would make rain bb's on the other team and if you truly want to be a saw (squad automatic weapon) gunner then go for it. The only reason i see you maybe being underutilized is because you will be slower

[doc_murray]

a heavy gunner is only under utilized if the team leader doesn't know how to use him. An LMG is key for defence and great for conducting a well planned ambush. some ways an lmg can be used is holding an objective once taken, it can cover a large area with a high volume of fire, often taking the place of one or two defenders, this allows a squad to leave fewer people behind and keep a larger attack / maneuver element in play. in the ambush an LMG used a secondary weapon in an ambush ( team leaders should be the one to initiate the ambush with his weapon). Support weapons in this role can be used to halt a counter attack, block an avenue of escape, and keep there heads down while the other part of the ambush ( if you though that far ahead) moves in to finish them off, also you can use the support gunner in the other element of your ambush( think hammer and anvil) one element (hammer) initiates contact, blocks one way out, drives the targets towards the second element (anvil) to finish the engagement. Having the pig there would mean they would walk right into a wall of fire (er plastic).

as far as tactics go, an lmg should be part of any well balanced team, and your best use is bringing your fire power to bear on the targets when and where it is needed and not before, raw fire power used to early can be a fatal mistake, reveal your existance and location and if the other team has a good sniper / designated marksman, you are screwed.

one final note, an LMG is often the most valuable when you need to break contact. if you can keep several hostile heads down at once, then your odds of escape increase greatly.

keep in mind tactics are left to the team leader in those cases, you get with a good group, practice with your established tactical docterine, and you learn your part in all of it, and play that part.

think of it this way
\first you learn your role, you learn to fight your self and your weapon, grow in skill till you master it, till it is just an extension of your arms, you learn how to shoot and move untill it is as natural to you as breathing. you learn your role in the fight so you do it without a need to be told.

then you lear the others roles, how to fight as one of your teammates when they cannont, then how to lead the team when you loose your team leader. fter you get the hang of this, you get your own team, learn to fight your team until you can fight it in the same way yuo learned to fight yourself, til it is as natural as breathing to you.
now none of this means eventually it will be easy, there are times when you have to struggle to breath, but you know how to and that you have to, it's the same thing.

Gunny Miller taught that to me the first week I got to the detachment. a better NCO and Marine I hav yet to meet.

[Who_im_iz]

Doc.. your post was exactly what I was looking for. With some guidance and a lmg in hand I think I would do well out there. Plus I think it would bring a whole new dimension to the milsim games.

[Ssgtfry]

I hate to be "that guy" but since I was an 0331 for 5 yrs the m-60 is an mmg the 249 is an lmg ,just some gee-whiz info. However since there's not a whole lot of difference between the airsoftversion of a 249 and a 60, besides size and weight, I guess it really doesn't matter.

[Ssgtfry]

One other thing, if you do get that m-60 I would be willing to buy a tripod and T&E (if it would fit) and be on a gun team with ya. A tripod mounted 60 now that would be awesome.

[doc_murray]

very true, but since there is not a dime's bit of difference between the two for airsoft, i just threw it out there

[Ssgtfry]

A&K Full Metal M60 Airsoft Gun $399.00, CA M249 MK2 Airsoft Gun $479.00 I'd say that's about 800 dimes worth of difference hahaha j/k (not including tax of course) ;)

[Who_im_iz]

Haha that's a big influence in my decision.. I'm not too well off on funds, but I really want a lmg. I'm an indecisive person so this is gonna be hard. How often do you guys get together to airsoft it up?

[palma]

Well idk if he still has it but at amped there was a saw that was upgraded m249 i think i would contact them and maybe ask some questions

[Ssgtfry]

Just check the calendar, there's usually lil' soft every weekend or every other weekend, TRP events at the end of the month and national/ regional events whenever they come up. So if you have your own transportation you could play once or twice a week depending on your schedule.

[Who_im_iz]

I could def. play at least every other weekend.